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 Post subject: Aggression whilst hunting
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:41 pm 
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I have been reading some books by Konrad Lorenz, lent to me by my grandpa. The author was one of the pioneers of animal behaviour studies, breaking off from the long-held assumptions that animals act on instinct alone. The books are "Man meets Dog" (brilliant book examining the relationship between people, dogs and cats, with loads of fun anecdotes) and "Konrad Lorenz on agression". I reccomend tracking these down -- they're pretty old but a very good read.

Anyway, an extract from the second book is what I'm talking about. When we think of wolves or any other animals hunting, we tend to think of them snarling and growling and being generally ferocious. But hunting behaviour is not so similar to aggressive fighting behaviour*runs off to find the book so she can quote*

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...the inner motives of the hunter are basically different from the fighter. The buffalo which the lion fells provokes his aggression as little as the appetising turkey which I have just seen hanging in the larder provokes mine. The differences in these inner drives can clearly be seen in the expression movements of the animal: a dog about to catch a hunted rabbit has the same kind of excitedly happy expression as he has when he greets his master or awaits some longed-for treat. From many excellent photographs it can be seen that the lion, in the dramatic moment before he springs, is in no way angry. Growling, laying the ears back and other well-known expression movements of fighting behaviour are seen in predatory animals only when they are very afraid of a wildly resisting prey, and even then the expressions are only suggested.


So, I reccommend that the Wolf team, when going back over Scene Two, doesn't overdo the growly noises :wink2:

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 Post subject: Re: Aggression whilst hunting
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:04 pm 
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Heheh, I'm going to refer to this everyone time somebody say "ad moar grwlz!" on youtube :D

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 Post subject: Re: Aggression whilst hunting
PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:50 pm 
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lol Yeah, I noticed that. And people going: "PUT MORE BLOOD!" If you bite an elk in the leg -- despite what some people would like to believe -- a massive fountain of the red stuff does not throw the wolf back 100 feet! Unless the elk are all on massive amounts of blood-thinning drugs...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:37 pm 
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a massive fountain of the red stuff does not throw the wolf back 100 feet!


Oh if I only had the time to animate that XD

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 Post subject: Re: Aggression whilst hunting
PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:28 am 
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>:D I infect your head with disturbing ideas!

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it's Wolf... meets Kill Bill >=]


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 Post subject: Re: Aggression whilst hunting
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Awesomely pointed out. A lot of people are uncomfortable with the fact that hunting is a behavior that elicits a positive excitement in many animals (humans included, prey excluded). Course, a fox doesn't then pose with a carcass and post it on myspace, but you know what I mean. XD Many books write in hunting scenes as something an animal is reluctant to do, and they often bow or pray over the kill. That said, hope the growls stay in during the feeding stage, as that is another matter!

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despite what some people would like to believe -- a massive fountain of the red stuff does not throw the wolf back 100 feet! Unless the elk are all on massive amounts of blood-thinning drugs...


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